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Rethinking Insulation for Modern Homes | Build Show Podcast Ep 215

πŸ“… May 3, 2026 ⏱️ 39:49 🎀 Matt Risinger, Jason Todd

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  • 0:00
    Intro β€” Wood insulation? Meet Jason Todd of TimberHP
  • 6:44
    The pitch: insulation made from wood
  • 7:17
    A forest-products residual user (no trees cut)
  • 9:27
    How the board is made: thermo-mechanical pulping
  • 11:37
    Thickness, weight & board sizes
  • 13:50
    Fire, bugs & water: the tough questions
  • 16:34
    Thermal mass & the 8-day steady-state test
  • 20:24
    The European precedent (Switzerland / Steico)
  • 23:09
    Making it work for the U.S. market
  • 24:46
    Water, flashing & the "car wash" drying test
  • 28:06
    TimberFill loose-fill & batt products
  • 29:45
    Cost vs. mineral fiber, XPS & cellulose
  • 35:45
    The carbon story & why builders love wood

Speakers

M
Matt Risinger
Host
J
Jason Todd
Director of Building Science & Industry Support, TimberHP

Key Takeaways

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TimberHP is North America's first dry-process wood-fiber insulation board manufacturer β€” it doesn't cut down trees but upcycles softwood forest-products residuals (mill leftovers, forest thinnings) that used to become paper, in a retooled former paper mill in Maine.

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The board is made by thermo-mechanically pulping steam-saturated wood chips, flash-drying them in Dyson-style separator towers, then binding with paraffin and a Gorilla-Glue-like resin in a steam press β€” yielding a rigid ~9 lb/cubic-foot board with XPS-like compressive strength.

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Wood fiber's real edge is thermal mass and diffusivity: it slows heat transfer dramatically β€” a 9.25-inch board took 8 days to reach steady state in lab testing versus hours for foam β€” which flattens peak cooling loads in climates with day/night temperature swings.

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It handles fire, bugs, and water better than you'd expect: cavity products treated with borates hit Class A (5 flame spread) and reach 1- and 2-hour rated wall assemblies, and the board chars rather than melting into toxic smoke like foam.

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Water tolerance is about drying, not repelling β€” the board can get wet as long as the assembly lets it dry; in a "car wash" test it redistributed and dried moisture within days (nearly self-healing), while EPS trapped moisture for weeks.

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It's designed as an easy one-for-one swap in normal wood construction (an R5 board, R10 in thicker profiles), price-competitive with cellulose in cavities and close to XPS on boards β€” undercutting most mineral-fiber boards; today's addressable market is the Northeast out to the Ohio River Valley.

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Beyond performance, the draw is the carbon story β€” locking up carbon in minimally processed wood that would otherwise be discarded β€” plus the simple fact that builders already trust and love working with wood.

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