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How to Build Managers Who Think Like Owners

⏱️ 14:48 🎀 Mike Andes, Joel Heck
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How to Build Managers Who Think Like Owners
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  • 0:00
    Managing Managers
    Host Mike Andes introduces Joel Heck, an Augusta Lawn Care owner, and outlines the episode's focus on managing managers and giving feedback.
  • 1:55
    Giving Feedback and PIPs
    Joel discusses the effectiveness of Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs) and suggests an indirect approach through coaching for manager development.
  • 4:15
    Metrics and On-Target Earnings
    Joel emphasizes using metrics and clear on-target earnings to evaluate manager performance and identify disengagement.
  • 7:05
    Managers as Problem Solvers
    Joel explains that true managers must not only identify problems but also propose and execute solutions, otherwise, they are not suitable for the role.
  • 10:05
    Empowering Solutions
    Joel highlights that effective managers identify solutions before the owner does and can operate independently, building confidence and reducing owner involvement.
  • 12:00
    Hiring and Training Challenges
    Joel discusses the difficulties in hiring and training, especially in a fast-paced environment, and the importance of a structured approach.
  • 14:18
    Building for Profit Mode
    Joel recommends transitioning a location to profit mode and having a stable year before handing it off to a general manager to minimize 'hair-on-fire' situations.
  • 17:10
    Overstaffing for Stability
    Joel suggests slightly overstaffing and reducing budget hour capacity to create a buffer, ensuring managers can manage without constant crises, even if it means sacrificing some margin.
  • 19:20
    Training Managers to Train
    Joel proposes methods like post-training employee interviews and surveys to assess and improve the effectiveness of manager-led training programs.

Speakers

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Mike Andes
Host
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Joel Heck
Owner of Augusta Lawn Care

Key Takeaways

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Use on-target earnings and clear metrics to evaluate manager performance, ensuring they understand the expected financial and operational standards.

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When managers consistently miss targets and show no commitment to improvement, be prepared to gracefully let them go, as disengagement will likely lead to future problems.

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Empower managers to be problem-solvers, not just problem-identifiers; they should come to you with solutions and action plans, not just issues.

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Prioritize developing locations into a stable 'profit mode' for at least a year before delegating full management, reducing the likelihood of urgent, 'hair-on-fire' situations for new GMs.

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Consider slightly overstaffing and reducing the budget hour capacity for managers to create a buffer for unexpected employee absences or departures, which minimizes stress and improves their ability to manage.

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Implement a feedback loop for training: have new employees rank their trainers and the training process, and use their input to improve your manager's training skills and materials.

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Utilize coaching or external resources (like Augusta's internal coaches) as an indirect way to deliver feedback and development to your managers on specific issues.

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