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Ask the Experts: Winning Commercial Snow & Landscape Sales Strategies

πŸ“… October 3, 2025 ⏱️ 57:23 🎀 Jack Jostes, Robert Clinkenbeard, Nick Clots, Eddie Zakes, Robert Felton, Jed

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  • 0:00
    Introductions & Panel Overview
    Jack Justice introduces the panel of experts: Robert Clinkinbeard, Nick Clots, and Eddie Zakes, detailing their backgrounds and expertise in the commercial landscape and snow removal industry.
  • 4:48
    Commercial vs. Residential Sales
    The panelists discuss the key differences between commercial and residential sales and marketing, highlighting the longer relationship building, budget considerations, and the importance of professional service in commercial settings.
  • 17:39
    Breaking Past Gatekeepers
    The experts share actionable strategies for overcoming gatekeepers and gaining access to decision-makers in large commercial facilities, including persistence, networking, and creative approaches to building rapport.
  • 30:19
    Lead Generation Strategies
    The discussion shifts to the most effective lead generation methods for commercial snow and landscape clients, with insights on cold calling, referrals, and building deep relationships through events and targeted outreach.
  • 34:48
    Sales Team Structure
    The panelists explain their approach to business development, sales, and account management, detailing the distinction between 'hunters' (new sales) and 'farmers' (account management and renewals) and their revenue targets.
  • 47:46
    Identifying 'Hell Yes' Customers
    The experts advise on how to identify and focus on high-value 'Hell Yes' customers, emphasizing the importance of understanding client capacity, profitability, and strategic alignment for sustainable growth.
  • 1:10:35
    Qualifying Clients & Avoiding Price Wars
    The panel shares key questions to ask potential clients to determine if they are a good fit and how to navigate the perception of commercial landscaping as a 'rat race to the bottom' by focusing on value and relationships.
  • 1:26:09
    Managing Costs & Contracts
    Strategies for managing increased costs of equipment, materials, and unpredictable snow events are discussed, including various contract formats and clauses to protect profitability.
  • 1:30:06
    Sales Team KPIs
    The episode concludes with the panelists revealing the key performance indicators (KPIs) they obsess over when managing their sales teams, focusing on both behavioral aspects and sales results.

Speakers

J
Jack Jostes
Host
R
Robert Clinkenbeard
CEO of Wilson 360
N
Nick Clots
CEO of EPM of Michigan
E
Eddie Zakes
CEO of Earth Development
R
Robert Felton
Ramblin Jackson's director of client strategy
J
Jed

Key Takeaways

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Commercial sales prioritize long-term relationship building and understanding client budgets, which differ significantly from residential sales.

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Overcoming gatekeepers requires persistence, building rapport (e.g., small gifts, friendly gestures), and networking at industry events where decision-makers are present.

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Dedicated 'hunter' and 'farmer' roles (new business development and account management) are crucial for scalability; aim for 800k-1.5M revenue per dedicated account manager, though this varies by client mix and geographic spread.

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Identify your 'Hell Yes' customer by analyzing which jobs yield maximum revenue and profitability with less headache, even if it means initially taking 'Hell No' customers to learn.

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Don't engage in a 'race to the bottom' on price; instead, clearly articulate the value your company provides and be transparent about pricing, especially for multi-year contracts with inflation clauses.

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Ask strategic questions during sales conversations, such as "How much have you invested in improvements in the last 12 months?" or "What would your current contractor do better?" to uncover client needs and budget insights.

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Obsess over behavioral KPIs for sales teams: number of calls, number of proposal presentations, and number of closed-won deals, as these activities drive results.

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