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Level10 Contractor Daily

Episode 1962 – 2025 Lead Gen

πŸ“… January 21, 2025 ⏱️ 46:19 🎀 Rich, Nate Jones

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  • 0:00
    Intro and what Structurely does
  • 2:11
    The new TCPA landscape for 2025
  • 3:16
    The law applies to calling and texting too
  • 4:58
    Old leads and what ATDS/dialer means
  • 9:26
    How compliance gets enforced
  • 15:03
    Audit your own business like a compliance officer
  • 16:44
    The 1990s fax-broadcasting lawsuit parallel
  • 19:58
    Fewer, higher-intent leads and a level field
  • 22:49
    Call center stats: text-call-AI technique
  • 26:12
    Same-number calling and the seven-numbers horror story
  • 30:42
    Where AI is going: agentic AI in 2025
  • 35:14
    Detectability and the latency problem
  • 39:49
    You Build It case study and lead magnets

Speakers

R
Rich
Host, Level10 Contractor Daily
N
Nate Jones
Co-founder & COO/CTO, Structurely

Key Takeaways

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As of January 27, 2025, TCPA requires documented one-to-one consent to generate a lead; critically, the same rule governs how you call and text leads, not just how you acquire them.

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Any call or text via an ATDS (dialer) needs proof of one-to-one consent, and a 'dialer' is defined broadly, even clicking a lead's number in your CRM one-by-one counts; only true hand-dialing (scrubbed against the DNC) is exempt.

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Enforcement won't come from the small FCC, it will come from litigators suing on behalf of ordinary consumers, so audit your own business: pull 10 random leads and prove undeniable one-to-one consent (carriers do audit and ask for screenshots).

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Old/rehash/database leads without the new opt-in language are effectively radioactive; use Active Prospect's TrustedForm to house consent certificates, and you'll rebuild a compliant database within a couple of painful months.

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The upside: fewer but higher-intent leads (sold once, to one company) and a leveled playing field, since small contractors no longer compete against 7 firms hitting a lead in 10 seconds.

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Structurely's data: 30% answer rate for call-only vs 58% for text-then-call; set/qualification rate ~6% call-only vs ~17% with text; and always text and call from the SAME number so the phone shows 'Maybe [Name]' instead of spam.

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2025 is the year of agentic AI (agents that make decisions and take actions on their own); Structurely found zero people detected its AI when it didn't disclose, and had to add artificial latency because the AI got too fast and talked over people.

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