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How Outback Deck Scaled to $10M and Built DeckMetriX Software | F&D Mastery Podcast #68

πŸ“… November 5, 2025 ⏱️ 1:07:09 🎀 Brian Miller, John, Alex Tainer

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  • 0:00
    Intro & welcome Brian and John
  • 2:11
    Brian's story: from remodeling to decks in 2008
  • 6:02
    John's path into construction & the downturn
  • 8:14
    Joining forces & building the system
  • 9:56
    Growth, work-life balance & COVID's shift
  • 11:03
    The original Excel pricing tool (2012)
  • 13:50
    Outgrowing the spreadsheet, building software
  • 14:57
    The MVP & moving to a one-step process
  • 17:11
    Version two: sketching, financing & scaling sales
  • 19:57
    Where DeckMetrics fits in the workflow
  • 21:38
    Pricing accuracy vs. square-foot estimating
  • 23:50
    Sketch, price & bill of materials in minutes
  • 26:31
    Implementation: loading materials & labor
  • 32:00
    Capturing forgotten costs & logistics
  • 38:00
    How the back-end algorithms protect margin
  • 40:47
    1% accuracy & peace of mind
  • 42:27
    Built for deck builders; porch workarounds
  • 46:16
    Margin control & selling more profitably
  • 49:03
    Why the one-call close boosts sales
  • 53:24
    Changed buyer habits & giving price on-site
  • 1:00:31
    It's just a tool; demo, gift & closing

Speakers

B
Brian Miller
Co-Founder, Outback Deck; Founder, DeckMetrics
J
John
Co-Founder, Outback Deck (Operations & Finance)
A
Alex Tainer
Host; Founder, Fence and Deck Marketers

Key Takeaways

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Brian Miller pivoted a collapsing Atlanta remodeling firm into a deck business during the 2008 downturn by knocking doors and doing recoats and repairs, which quickly revealed decking as an exceptional opportunity that became Outback Deck.

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Brian and John, former competitors, joined forces after sharing office space, combining Brian's sales-and-marketing strength with John's operations-and-finance focus, and spent five years documenting systems while protecting work-life balance (taking 10-12 weeks off a year).

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The DeckMetrics software grew out of an Excel pricing sheet Brian first built around 2012 with a software-savvy client, later hardened by a PhD mathematician into a 47-page algorithm document, and finally rebuilt into cloud software about 18 months ago because a spreadsheet couldn't scale across eight salespeople.

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DeckMetrics lets a contractor sketch the deck, pick good/better/best decking and rail products, and generate an accurate price plus monthly-payment options in under three minutes at the kitchen table, then produce a bill of materials in about 1.5 seconds and a signed proposal in roughly three minutes, all tablet-first.

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Moving from a two-step 'come back and present' model to a same-day one-sit close was a painful 18-month transition (they lost salespeople) but became essential after COVID, when almost no homeowners wanted a second visit and instant-gratification buying habits took hold.

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The tool bakes in commonly-forgotten cost variables (auto-adding an extra dumpster above 450 square feet, per-municipality permit costs, extra footings, drawings, engineering) so estimates stay accurate; Outback's bill-of-materials accuracy is now within 1%, protecting margin because markup/margin controls apply across labor, materials, and logistics.

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Financing integration pushed 85% of Outback jobs to financed projects with $7,000-$10,000 higher tickets, and standardizing screen-porch designs inside the tool added about 40 sold jobs and roughly $2.5M of new revenue in nine months; every DeckMetrics subscription includes free Contractor Classroom coaching.

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