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Ingage Podcast

Ingaged | Process First, Tech Second: How Smart Contractors Scale Their Business

πŸ“… October 15, 2025 ⏱️ 30:11 🎀 Eric Brown, Pam Torrey

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  • 0:00
    Intro: Eric Brown, Director of Contractor Engagement at CertainTeed
  • 1:38
    From plasterer to engineer to 34 years at CertainTeed
  • 3:18
    Establish KPIs and a business plan before buying tech
  • 7:12
    Downloading the founder's playbook β€” and accepting 80%
  • 9:25
    Why contractors shouldn't vet tech alone
  • 11:05
    How CertainTeed vets affinity partners
  • 16:31
    When tech goes wrong: skipping the foundation
  • 18:43
    The KPIs that prove tech works: usage and adherence
  • 20:56
    How small contractors scale without betting large
  • 23:42
    2026 trends: AI, integration, and differentiation

Speakers

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Eric Brown
Director of Contractor Engagement, CertainTeed
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Pam Torrey
Host, Ingage

Key Takeaways

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Start with a business plan you truly believe in, then define baseline KPIs (close rates, in-home set rates) before buying any tech β€” if you can't measure whether it helps, it's worth very little.

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Process must be supported by tech, not the other way around β€” put foundational solutions in place before later-stage ones.

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Founders overestimate that everyone shares their 'X factor' and skip documenting process steps; to scale, download that institutional knowledge into playbooks and video, and accept reps doing it 80% of the way you would.

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Don't go it alone β€” manufacturers and industry networks have already vetted affinity partners, so lean on them to shorten time-to-value.

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CertainTeed vets partners on customer experience, passion, and a contractor-fed scorecard; contractor feedback (poor in-home selling, discomfort with insurance adjusters) is exactly what drives them to find new partners.

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Measure from go-live and keep a contingency plan; the best top-line KPIs are usage (are people using it without being forced?) and easy adherence (no single-person bottleneck that breaks the whole stack).

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Small contractors shouldn't 'bet large' on tech β€” prioritize by the business plan and by whether the owner is weaker in sales or operations, then differentiate through strong process and use tech to make it efficient (while watching AI and tech-stack consolidation).

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