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463: Roofers Who Don’t Know Their Numbers Won’t Survive This Market

⏱️ 55:18 🎤 Dave Sullivan, Leslie Schiner
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463: Roofers Who Don’t Know Their Numbers Won’t Survive This Market
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  • 0:00
    Market Shift & Job Costing
    Dave Sullivan introduces the topic, explaining that a slower market requires contractors to understand their numbers and job costing to survive, unlike previous boom times.
  • 0:47
    Why Job Costing Matters
    Leslie Schiner discusses why contractors often neglect job costing, the risks of running a business by 'gut feel,' and how growth necessitates better financial communication.
  • 1:43
    Basics of Job Costing
    Leslie explains the fundamentals of job costing, focusing on identifying what information is crucial at the end of a job and the significant risk associated with labor costs.
  • 3:40
    Calculating True Labor Cost
    The discussion delves into calculating the 'true' burdened labor cost, beyond just gross wages, including hidden expenses like taxes, insurance, vehicles, and non-billable hours.
  • 5:00
    Job Costing vs. Overhead
    Leslie clarifies the difference between direct job costs and overhead, explaining how reclassifying 'indirect direct' costs improves understanding of true job profitability without changing net profit.
  • 6:45
    Estimating & Post-Mortem
    The hosts discuss the importance of accurate estimates, comparing estimated vs. actual costs (post-mortems), and making adjustments based on labor or material variances to improve future projects.
  • 8:10
    Productivity & Profitability
    The conversation shifts to crew productivity, minimizing non-productive time, and using job costing to identify which types of work and crews are most profitable to optimize business focus.
  • 9:43
    KPIs & Reporting
    Leslie shares two key performance indicators (KPIs) she recommends: labor utilization and revenue per employee, emphasizing the need for simple, timely, and actionable reports.
  • 11:15
    Job Costing Resources
    Leslie introduces her company, Shiner Group, and the services they offer, including QuickBooks file assessments, consulting, and fractional CFO services to help contractors improve profitability.

Speakers

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Dave Sullivan
Host
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Leslie Schiner

Key Takeaways

Prioritize accurate job costing: Operating on 'gut feel' or solely on revenue can mask unprofitability. Implement robust job costing to understand exactly where profits and losses occur on every project.

Calculate true labor burden: Beyond gross wages, account for all 'cloud of dust' costs associated with employees, including payroll taxes, workers' comp, health insurance, vehicle expenses, and non-billable time, to get a precise hourly labor cost.

Distinguish direct vs. indirect costs: Understand how reclassifying 'indirect direct' costs from overhead to job costs provides a more realistic gross profit per job, helping identify genuinely profitable work.

Conduct post-mortems consistently: Regularly compare estimated costs to actual expenditures (especially for labor and materials) to identify variances, adjust future bidding strategies, and improve operational efficiency.

Optimize labor utilization: Track billable hours versus total hours paid to understand employee utilization rates. Implement strategies to minimize non-productive time (e.g., material runs, downtime) to boost overall productivity and profitability.

Focus on profitable work: Use job costing data to identify which types of jobs and crews are most profitable. Prioritize or re-evaluate work that consistently underperforms to maximize return on effort and resources.

Utilize simple KPIs and reports: Avoid overwhelming reports. Focus on key performance indicators like labor utilization and revenue per employee to gain actionable insights quickly and manage the business effectively.

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