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Building a Premium Deck Brand with Lance Roach of Black Label Built | F&D Mastery Podcast #65

πŸ“… September 3, 2025 ⏱️ 41:54 🎀 Lance Roach, Alex Tainer

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  • 0:00
    Intro: meeting Lance Roach of Black Label Built
  • 2:14
    From framing to an 18-year exterior company, sold in 2018
  • 5:29
    Services today: decks, patio covers, pergolas, outdoor living
  • 8:45
    Alternative framing and the 'lifetime deck' pitch
  • 12:30
    Positioning as a premium, white-glove brand
  • 14:43
    Client gifts: design swag bag and Omaha Steaks care package
  • 16:55
    Design fees, tiers, and Timbertech platinum swag credits
  • 20:17
    On-site marketing: door hangers, banner flags, lettered trucks
  • 21:54
    The review system and paying installers for named reviews
  • 27:18
    Over-building: 12-inch centers, picture frames, mitered borders
  • 28:24
    Will the industry shrink as decks last forever?
  • 34:14
    Growth plans: $2.5M to $6M, EOS, and succession
  • 38:36
    Balancing big showcase jobs with quick medium builds

Speakers

L
Lance Roach
Owner, Black Label Built (Nebraska)
A
Alex Tainer
Host; Founder, Fence and Deck Marketers

Key Takeaways

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Lance sold his 18-year siding, roofing, and exterior company in 2018 when a competitor wanted the roofing and siding but not the outdoor-living work he was passionate about; he launched Black Label Built to keep serving those clients and went all-in on growth about two to three years ago.

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Roughly 50% of Black Label's deck builds now use alternative framing (Newcastle steel and similar), pitched as a 'lifetime deck' with a 50-year steel frame plus Azek advanced PVC, because a wood frame lasts only 10-15 years under a 25-50 year composite surface.

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A paid design step (a $500 tier or a $1,000 tier with detailed CAD and 3D renderings) qualifies serious clients and lets them visualize screens, kitchens, and fireplaces before committing to a project.

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Signature premium-brand touches include a Timbertech swag bag handed over at design-agreement signing, an Omaha Steaks care package at project completion, and pre-filled manufacturer warranty folders given to every client.

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On-site marketing differentiators include an eight-foot swaying banner flag (instead of a static yard sign) with a QR code, courtesy door hangers to neighbors, uniform lettered black and white trucks, and neighborhood mailers for multiple touch points.

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Reviews are run as a deliberate system: installers ask clients directly and earn $50 when their own name appears in the review; Black Label is near 85 reviews and targeting 100-plus this year.

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Build quality is intentionally over-engineered with 12-inch on-center joist spacing, picture-frame borders, mitered two-tone edges, and no butt joints, and Lance is targeting about $2.5M this year with a goal of $6M in two years via EOS-style systems.

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